[FusionComm] 2 divisions or 2 projects?

[RYX]

This plan assumes that we are two communities, which is total
nonsense ... This document needs a revision - that's all I am talking
about. It was a first draft, nothing more.

Am Dienstag, den 10.07.2007, 14:46 -0700 schrieb Sam Spilsbury:
> Just in case, here are the goals for the project, in case anyone was
> interested ) For Compiz - Extra
> 
> The Managing Committee has spent quite a bit of effort over the last
> two months trying to define the direction and goals of compiz. One of
> the issues we struggled with was how to define the scope of compiz
> broad enough to include everything the community is interested in,
> while still keeping it compact enough to be easily included as a
> component in a desktop environment (DE). After much discussion we
> concluded that the best answer was to split compiz into two divisions.
> Here is a draft proposal that defines how we'd like to do this: 
> 
> Compiz-Core 
> * The Compiz-Core division will include the code of the current core
> plus core plugins that provide essential functionality (a subset of
> the current compiz package). 
> * The package will be called "compiz". 
> * Compiz will be extremely stable with the relatively narrow focus of
> being a compositing window manager that will run on X Server and can
> be integrated into any DE. 
> * It will not include any functionality or code that replaces similar
> functionality in a DE unless it is required for compiz to operate
> correctly. 
> * The Compiz-Core community will focus on core developers and plugin
> developers and will primarily use the compiz mailing list and the
> wiki. 
> * The goal of Compiz-Core is for compiz to become a universal
> compositing and window manager layer on top of X Server, which can be
> integrated into all major DEs and included by default in all major
> distributions. 
> 
> Compiz-Extra 
> * The Compiz-Extra division will include plugins and other programs
> that provide functionality which is not essential to the operation of
> the core (compiz-extra, plus some plugins from compiz, plus other
> programs). 
> * We are currently calling this division and package "compiz-extra"
> but this may change as the community and project scope grows and
> evolves. 
> * Compiz-Extra will have a broad focus on plugins, decorators,
> libraries, and other programs and will include stable, developmental,
> and experimental code. 
> * It will include functionality and code that can be used universally,
> used with a specific DE, or can be run on compiz without a DE. 
> * The Compiz-Extra community will focus on the developers creating and
> maintaining the compiz-extra programs and on end users. It will
> primarily use the wiki and the forum. 
> * The goal of the Compiz-Extra division is to develop compiz related
> software and support the use of compiz on all desktops. 
> 
> Creating these divisions would have very little immediate effect on
> our community. Other than moving some code out of the core package,
> this is really just a definition of what we're doing now. The real
> benefit comes in the future as the Compiz-Extra division grows and is
> free to create new desktop programs and libraries without endangering
> the adoption of compiz by existing DEs. Once everyone has had
> opportunity to read and discuss this proposal we'll post a final
> version on the wiki. Shortly after that we'll post a draft roadmap
> based on the final version which we can work on and discuss.
> 
> I think the whole point of the merge was that both project agrees on
> these goals. So can we stop having debates about our goals because
> they are right there. 
> 
> On 7/10/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
>         Hi there!
>         
>         Yet again I came across a post where one of us said that
>         compiz and
>         compiz fusion are "2 divisions/projects within the same
>         community" ...
>         
>         So what are we? Are we 2 divisions within one project (and
>         one 
>         community) or are we two projects with a (somehow) overlapping
>         community? I think "divisions/projects" is paradox - it is
>         either one or
>         the other ...
>         
>         It is so incredibly annoying that we can't have just ONE
>         definition of 
>         what we are instead of everyone having his very own idea of
>         it ... Can't
>         you see that this creates exactly the confusion people tried
>         to warn
>         about?
>         
>         Someone even created a "fusion-icon" - whatever that may
>         be ... I assume 
>         it is some notification-icon for launching compiz (which is
>         btw a big
>         no-go from the standard's perspective, maybe someone on oc.o
>         should
>         start caring for what the users do ...).
>         
>         Next week there are maybe "fusion"-packages ... the week after
>         next week 
>         they start renaming ccs to cfs (and then to fs) ... and so
>         on ... until
>         people say: "look at my fusion desktop, it is so much better
>         than compiz
>         or beryl were" ...
> 
> 
>  
> 
>         The other side of the medal is that there are many
>         fusion-related
>         bug-reports on compiz.org but nobody of the "fusion-devs"
>         cares about 
>         it ... likely because they don't feel responsible for "compiz
>         fusion" 
>         things on compiz.org and prefer the oc.o forums for being the
>         place to
>         inform/support users about/with compiz and compiz fusion (if
>         anyone 
>         informs the users at all) ... ha ha ha ...
> 
> 
> No, because compiz.org is NOT for fusion stuff. Did you think we'd be
> checking GameFAQ's forums for Compiz Fusion stuff too? 
> 
> We closed our forums and gave you the oppurtunity to join up in oc.o.
> The confusion remains with your project, we are perceived to be the
> merged project while your stil llingers on. Just close your forum as
> soon as the new website comes up so that we are_one_project.
> 
> And there's plenty of info for users. Check the blog that I take 2
> hours out of my day to write. ( smspillaz.opencompositing.org)
>  
> 
>         We should finally come up with a definition of what we are. If
>         we are
>         two projects then I don't feel that much involved in the
>         fusion part for
>         some reason, if we are two divisions then we should start
>         acting like 
>         one project instead of everyone doing what he/she likes.
> 
> Well, I found the Compiz-Extra and Beryl goals here :
> 
> (Copied and Pasted)
> 
> Compiz :
> 
> Compiz-Core 
> * The Compiz-Core division will include the code of the current core
> plus core plugins that provide essential functionality (a subset of
> the current compiz package). 
> * The package will be called "compiz". 
> * Compiz will be extremely stable with the relatively narrow focus of
> being a compositing window manager that will run on X Server and can
> be integrated into any DE. 
> * It will not include any functionality or code that replaces similar
> functionality in a DE unless it is required for compiz to operate
> correctly. 
> * The Compiz-Core community will focus on core developers and plugin
> developers and will primarily use the compiz mailing list and the
> wiki. 
> * The goal of Compiz-Core is for compiz to become a universal
> compositing and window manager layer on top of X Server, which can be
> integrated into all major DEs and included by default in all major
> distributions. 
> 
> Compiz-Extra 
> * The Compiz-Extra division will include plugins and other programs
> that provide functionality which is not essential to the operation of
> the core (compiz-extra, plus some plugins from compiz, plus other
> programs). 
> * We are currently calling this division and package "compiz-extra"
> but this may change as the community and project scope grows and
> evolves. 
> * Compiz-Extra will have a broad focus on plugins, decorators,
> libraries, and other programs and will include stable, developmental,
> and experimental code. 
> * It will include functionality and code that can be used universally,
> used with a specific DE, or can be run on compiz without a DE. 
> * The Compiz-Extra community will focus on the developers creating and
> maintaining the compiz-extra programs and on end users. It will
> primarily use the wiki and the forum. 
> * The goal of the Compiz-Extra division is to develop compiz related
> software and support the use of compiz on all desktops. 
> 
> Beryl :
> 
> Compiz-Core 
> * The Compiz-Core division will include the code of the current core
> plus core plugins that provide essential functionality (a subset of
> the current compiz package). 
> * The package will be called "compiz". 
> * Compiz will be extremely stable with the relatively narrow focus of
> being a compositing window manager that will run on X Server and can
> be integrated into any DE. 
> * It will not include any functionality or code that replaces similar
> functionality in a DE unless it is required for compiz to operate
> correctly. 
> * The Compiz-Core community will focus on core developers and plugin
> developers and will primarily use the compiz mailing list and the
> wiki. 
> * The goal of Compiz-Core is for compiz to become a universal
> compositing and window manager layer on top of X Server, which can be
> integrated into all major DEs and included by default in all major
> distributions. 
> 
> Compiz-Extra 
> * The Compiz-Extra division will include plugins and other programs
> that provide functionality which is not essential to the operation of
> the core (compiz-extra, plus some plugins from compiz, plus other
> programs). 
> * We are currently calling this division and package "compiz-extra"
> but this may change as the community and project scope grows and
> evolves. 
> * Compiz-Extra will have a broad focus on plugins, decorators,
> libraries, and other programs and will include stable, developmental,
> and experimental code. 
> * It will include functionality and code that can be used universally,
> used with a specific DE, or can be run on compiz without a DE. 
> * The Compiz-Extra community will focus on the developers creating and
> maintaining the compiz-extra programs and on end users. It will
> primarily use the wiki and the forum. 
> * The goal of the Compiz-Extra division is to develop compiz related
> software and support the use of compiz on all desktops. 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>         best regards
>         
>         Rico
>         
>         
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