[FusionComm] 2 divisions or 2 projects?

[Sam Spilsbury]

Oops, sorry for the double / triple post :-/. Blame GMail :-P

On 7/10/07, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 7/10/07, Sam Spilsbury <smspillaz at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Just in case, here are the goals for the project, in case anyone was
> > interested ) For Compiz - Extra
> >
> > The Managing Committee has spent quite a bit of effort over the last two
> > months trying to define the direction and goals of compiz. One of the issues
> > we struggled with was how to define the scope of compiz broad enough to
> > include everything the community is interested in, while still keeping it
> > compact enough to be easily included as a component in a desktop environment
> > (DE). After much discussion we concluded that the best answer was to split
> > compiz into two divisions. Here is a draft proposal that defines how we'd
> > like to do this:
> >
> > Compiz-Core
> > * The Compiz-Core division will include the code of the current core
> > plus core plugins that provide essential functionality (a subset of the
> > current compiz package).
> > * The package will be called "compiz".
> > * Compiz will be extremely stable with the relatively narrow focus of
> > being a compositing window manager that will run on X Server and can be
> > integrated into any DE.
> > * It will not include any functionality or code that replaces similar
> > functionality in a DE unless it is required for compiz to operate correctly.
> >
> > * The Compiz-Core community will focus on core developers and plugin
> > developers and will primarily use the compiz mailing list and the wiki.
> > * The goal of Compiz-Core is for compiz to become a universal
> > compositing and window manager layer on top of X Server, which can be
> > integrated into all major DEs and included by default in all major
> > distributions.
> >
> > Compiz-Extra
> > * The Compiz-Extra division will include plugins and other programs that
> > provide functionality which is not essential to the operation of the core
> > (compiz-extra, plus some plugins from compiz, plus other programs).
> > * We are currently calling this division and package "compiz-extra" but
> > this may change as the community and project scope grows and evolves.
> > * Compiz-Extra will have a broad focus on plugins, decorators,
> > libraries, and other programs and will include stable, developmental, and
> > experimental code.
> > * It will include functionality and code that can be used universally,
> > used with a specific DE, or can be run on compiz without a DE.
> > * The Compiz-Extra community will focus on the developers creating and
> > maintaining the compiz-extra programs and on end users. It will primarily
> > use the wiki and the forum.
> > * The goal of the Compiz-Extra division is to develop compiz related
> > software and support the use of compiz on all desktops.
> >
> > Creating these divisions would have very little immediate effect on our
> > community. Other than moving some code out of the core package, this is
> > really just a definition of what we're doing now. The real benefit comes in
> > the future as the Compiz-Extra division grows and is free to create new
> > desktop programs and libraries without endangering the adoption of compiz by
> > existing DEs. Once everyone has had opportunity to read and discuss this
> > proposal we'll post a final version on the wiki. Shortly after that we'll
> > post a draft roadmap based on the final version which we can work on and
> > discuss.
> >
> > I think the whole point of the merge was that both project agrees on
> > these goals. So can we stop having debates about our goals because they are
> > right there.
> >
> > On 7/10/07, RYX < ryx at ryxperience.com > wrote:
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> > > Hi there!
> > >
> > > Yet again I came across a post where one of us said that compiz and
> > > compiz fusion are "2 divisions/projects within the same community" ...
> > >
> > > So what are we? Are we 2 divisions within one project (and one
> > > community) or are we two projects with a (somehow) overlapping
> > > community? I think "divisions/projects" is paradox - it is either one
> > > or
> > > the other ...
> > >
> > > It is so incredibly annoying that we can't have just ONE definition of
> > >
> > > what we are instead of everyone having his very own idea of it ...
> > > Can't
> > > you see that this creates exactly the confusion people tried to warn
> > > about?
> > >
> > > Someone even created a "fusion-icon" - whatever that may be ... I
> > > assume
> > > it is some notification-icon for launching compiz (which is btw a big
> > > no-go from the standard's perspective, maybe someone on oc.o should
> > > start caring for what the users do ...).
> > >
> > > Next week there are maybe "fusion"-packages ... the week after next
> > > week
> > > they start renaming ccs to cfs (and then to fs) ... and so on ...
> > > until
> > > people say: "look at my fusion desktop, it is so much better than
> > > compiz
> > > or beryl were" ...
> >
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> >  The other side of the medal is that there are many fusion-related
> > > bug-reports on compiz.org but nobody of the "fusion-devs" cares about
> > > it ... likely because they don't feel responsible for "compiz fusion"
> > > things on compiz.org and prefer the oc.o forums for being the place to
> > > inform/support users about/with compiz and compiz fusion (if anyone
> > > informs the users at all) ... ha ha ha ...
> >
> >
> >
> > No, because compiz.org is NOT for fusion stuff. Did you think we'd be
> > checking GameFAQ's forums for Compiz Fusion stuff too?
> >
> > We closed our forums and gave you the oppurtunity to join up in oc.o.
> > The confusion remains with your project, we are perceived to be the merged
> > project while yours still llingers on. Just close your forum as soon as the
> > new website comes up so that we are_one_project.
> >
> > And there's plenty of info for users. Check the blog that I take 2 hours
> > out of my day to write. ( smspillaz.opencompositing.org)
> >
> >
> > We should finally come up with a definition of what we are. If we are
> > > two projects then I don't feel that much involved in the fusion part
> > > for
> > > some reason, if we are two divisions then we should start acting like
> > > one project instead of everyone doing what he/she likes.
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> > best regards
> > >
> > > Rico
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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