[FusionComm] 2 divisions or 2 projects?

[Danny Baumann]

Hi,

> > > Yet again I came across a post where one of us said that compiz and
> > > compiz fusion are "2 divisions/projects within the same community" ...
> > > 
> > > So what are we? Are we 2 divisions within one project (and one
> > > community) or are we two projects with a (somehow) overlapping
> > > community? I think "divisions/projects" is paradox - it is either one or
> > > the other ...
> > 
> > IMO two divisions of one project. We share things (e.g. community) and
> > some things are separated (releases, source hosting).
> That's what I think, too. And that's what I thought we all try to work
> for. I just wonder why I always read that we are "two
> projects/divisions".

I so far have read of "two divisions of one community". I wouldn't agree
that much with the term "two projects". But I also believe that the
terminology is minor details - IMO the "overall feel" matters ;-)

> > What's your preferred definition? As long as we don't identify ourselves
> > as 'one project' (something David isn't too fond of), there always will
> > be confusion.
> I don't know who said that David isn't willing to see us as two
> divisions of one project. He always wanted that from what I remember. 

Sorry for wrong wording. I just wanted to say that David (if I
understood it correctly) explicitly wants a distinction between Compiz
and Compiz Fusion. And as long as we distinct both, there always may be
the problem that people talk of the combination of Compiz and Compiz
Fusion as 'Compiz Fusion'. Question is if this is really such a big
problem (as Compiz is contained in both names) besides the obvious
problem areas (mainly bug trackers).

> We have no DE-like features in any way and the possibility of having
> such features somewhen in x years shouldn't be used as another reason to
> split us in two projects (i.e. "compiz" and "fusion") - at least that's
> what I think.

Agree.

> > > Someone even created a "fusion-icon" - whatever that may be ... I assume
> > > it is some notification-icon for launching compiz (which is btw a big
> > > no-go from the standard's perspective, maybe someone on oc.o should
> > > start caring for what the users do ...).
> > 
> > Maybe you should give everyone the freedom to work on whatever he wants
> > and to call it however he likes. Just because something is hosted on
> > oc.o, it's not necessarily the case the everyone also hosting stuff
> > there is also involved.
> Sure - everyone is free to do as he likes. But aren't we working towards
> one goal and direction? If we are, then we should coordinate things to
> fit into the project's goals and identity.

ACK in principle, but "compiz-fusion-icon" is such a long name ;-)
Besides that, a _lot_ of people ask for a tray icon to select the WM -
and that although it's not really standards compliant.

> > > Next week there are maybe "fusion"-packages 
> > 
> > No, when there are eventually packages, they will be called
> > "compiz-fusion-plugins-*" and so on. You get the idea.
> I hope they will, I only tried to create an image of what may happen if
> nobody intervents to correctly inform people about those issues.

Just because users are referring to Compiz Fusion incorrectly, this
doesn't mean developers and packagers will ;-)

> > Then please inform those people so they get the right idea. Those people
> > are underinformed (not misinformed! - there's a difference between those
> > two) and should be told what's correct. Unfortunately at least I don't
> > have enough time to inform each and every user about the relationship
> > between Compiz and Compiz Fusion.
> That's the point - I have no time to watch and moderate two forums and
> inform people about those things AND at the same time care for theming
> the new forum and website ... That's why I feel a bit uneasy when I see
> that nobody else cares for it, either.
> 
> I don't say _you_ should do it, I know you are working hard for the
> project. But there are enough people who have nothing really useful to
> do and they could (i.e. should) care for those things.

ACK. But the problem is that we can't force anyone to visit and support
a specific forum. This problem will solve itself when both forums are
merged.

> > About the forums, we are running in circles. We need vB (done) and
> > theming (not done) set up before being able to unify the forums, but
> > unfortunately there was no progress on the forums for the last weeks.
> > That's the problem we currently have. After unifying the forums, support
> > effort and related stuff will obviously also properly channelized.
> > I don't have the abilities to do the web & forum stuff, so I (and other
> > people who can code and not do web development; or people who are just
> > users) rely on people like _you_ at the moment.
> I understand that. And I'll do my best to get the themes ready, but they
> are made of about a hundred html-files and another hundred images -
> which is a quite heavy amount of work. That's why _I_ rely on people
> like the support-team to help out on compiz.org from time to time.
> Especially now that Mike seems to be on holiday ...

I didn't intend to put pressure on you. I just wanted to point out that
the theming is the bottleneck at the moment - without blaming you for
that. I really appreciate the work you're doing on theming.

Regards,

Danny