[FusionComm] Truly disappointing

[Jupiter]

RYX i must say your message IS "Truly Disappointing". Your crying
because nobody wants to follow your lead. Have you ever thought
that maybe, just maybe, it is your caustic tone that turns people
away. I was under the impression that we would have a new forum
setup then a merge of the the two existing forums. Why on earth
would we want to steer people to compiz.org only to have them change
to a new forum AGAIN in a couple of weeks or so. As far as discussion.
I made some suggestions on the Web ML and you never responded.
Basically i was ignored. So again why on earth would i want to
follow someone who ignores me. If my ideas were not good ones,
then just say so, and why. And another thing. We don't have "kings"
in our community. We have a "Community". A community that people
like and, happens to have more members than compiz.org. You need
to take a moment and read your own message. You then should
apologize to all of us you have offended. It is sad that in the past
week some people have been making positive comments about your
tone and the forum mockup you have been working on, then you write
this very arrogant and caustic message. Make no mistake about it
RYX, it is your tone that has already turned some people away from
wanting to work in the merged project.

P.S. I'll await your apology and obligatory smart ass remark.

Jupiter


On 7/3/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everbody.
>
> Two weeks passed - but what do we have? I don't know why it again turns
> out to be like this, but I can't get rid of the impression that we are
> missing any kind of goals and direction and our plans always get
> forgotten after a week or two. Whenever I start trusting you and the
> things you say, I get beaten in the face ... Why? Let me sum up some
> points ...
>
> Those people who cried for a combined community still prefer hanging out
> on oc.o and still aim at having their own community where they can be
> the kings - even though we finally agreed with nearly 100% of their
> wishes and requests. Nobody of the so called "beryl devs", except Danny,
> ever came to compiz.org for announcing new ideas or helping users - if
> they come at all, it is for bitching, nitpicking or correcting people.
>
> The development and "organization" (irony) are still preferably
> discussed on irc instead of being discussed here - even though everybody
> always agrees that it is better to NOT discuss organizational things on
> irc. Is this our way of working? Saying "yes - let's make it better" but
> still continue with our old habits??
>
> Users come to the compiz forums and tell me that they tried compiz and
> beryl but nothing worked for them, so now they installed "fusion" and
> want help with it - likely because of being misinformed by "other
> sources". Seriously, this mess has created such an incredible amount of
> confusion that especially the community has to be informed about what is
> going on. And before that, we should create some roadmap or targets to
> show them (hint, hint).
>
> Even though I hate giving up, I am very close to give up on all this and
> give you the peace to finally do everything you want (that's all you
> want, isn't it?). We all have seen how "well" things work out when there
> are only yes-sayers around ... maybe I'll just switch to kde4 and try to
> forget my beloved compiz.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Mike has already left us for excatly the same
> reasons..
>
> Let me ask you one question: what do you all expect to happen once we
> have a combined website for the combined project? I'd (still) really
> like to hear your answers on this ... We still have no goals, roadmap,
> merge-agreement or "peace-contract". Well, as long as we have ten
> different packages and a website the rest will come by itself, right?
> Sure.
>
> btw: I still work on the new layout, but if it means that the
> compiz-forums have nearly no support whenever I am not around, it shows
> me how interested everyone is in a "combined community" and immediately
> puts my motivation back to zero ..
>
> (I am pretty sure the comments on this, if any, will yet again ignore
> all important points of this mail and focus on my bitching or
> whatever ... as always)
>
>
> regards
>
> Rico
>
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