[FusionComm] Truly disappointing

[Sam Spilsbury]

Um, just about the roadmap thing. I don't think we should come to that until
we sort out some of the community stuff such as the website, artwork, icon
etc. I don't know if I am missing your point there (Please correct me) but
are you implying that we should all hang out in compiz.org instead of
hanging out in our own little 'opencompositing.org' community? Huh?
Wasn't... oc.o ... supposed ... to be.... the merged community... you know,
the beryl people ditched our forums for it and we made the invite to you
join...

On 7/3/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everbody.
>
> Two weeks passed - but what do we have? I don't know why it again turns
> out to be like this, but I can't get rid of the impression that we are
> missing any kind of goals and direction and our plans always get
> forgotten after a week or two. Whenever I start trusting you and the
> things you say, I get beaten in the face ... Why? Let me sum up some
> points ...
>
> Those people who cried for a combined community still prefer hanging out
> on oc.o and still aim at having their own community where they can be
> the kings - even though we finally agreed with nearly 100% of their
> wishes and requests. Nobody of the so called "beryl devs", except Danny,
> ever came to compiz.org for announcing new ideas or helping users - if
> they come at all, it is for bitching, nitpicking or correcting people.
>
> The development and "organization" (irony) are still preferably
> discussed on irc instead of being discussed here - even though everybody
> always agrees that it is better to NOT discuss organizational things on
> irc. Is this our way of working? Saying "yes - let's make it better" but
> still continue with our old habits??
>
> Users come to the compiz forums and tell me that they tried compiz and
> beryl but nothing worked for them, so now they installed "fusion" and
> want help with it - likely because of being misinformed by "other
> sources". Seriously, this mess has created such an incredible amount of
> confusion that especially the community has to be informed about what is
> going on. And before that, we should create some roadmap or targets to
> show them (hint, hint).
>
> Even though I hate giving up, I am very close to give up on all this and
> give you the peace to finally do everything you want (that's all you
> want, isn't it?). We all have seen how "well" things work out when there
> are only yes-sayers around ... maybe I'll just switch to kde4 and try to
> forget my beloved compiz.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Mike has already left us for excatly the same
> reasons..
>
> Let me ask you one question: what do you all expect to happen once we
> have a combined website for the combined project? I'd (still) really
> like to hear your answers on this ... We still have no goals, roadmap,
> merge-agreement or "peace-contract". Well, as long as we have ten
> different packages and a website the rest will come by itself, right?
> Sure.


Maybe we can set up a wiki of release criteria and goals?

btw: I still work on the new layout, but if it means that the
> compiz-forums have nearly no support whenever I am not around, it shows
> me how interested everyone is in a "combined community" and immediately
> puts my motivation back to zero ..



Thanks :P As soon as we get it finished, we can all  (Merged Community of
OpenCompositing and Compiz) move there.  *Motivates RYX to finish design*

(I am pretty sure the comments on this, if any, will yet again ignore
> all important points of this mail and focus on my bitching or
> whatever ... as always)


I see your points.. I think. Please correct this mail if it is wrong. I've
promised myself not to post technical stuff because I have no clue :P


regards
>
> Rico
>
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