[FusionComm] Truly disappointing

[Stephen Moore]

I'm thinking once we get a release, and a central website, we have an
announcement saying

-beryl is discontinued and no longer supported, it is the past
-opencompositing.org is no longer the support forum, it is now
compizfusion.org (or compiz.org, i'm still slightly confused on where the
support forum's new home is)
-compiz is the core and compiz fusion is everything that extends it
-goals of compiz is to create a stable core
-goals of compiz fusion is to extend the core

once we make such a conclusive statement and make sure it is widely
publicised, and say that the past is no longer, we are turning a new leaf
and the situation now, regardless of the past, is this

then i believe the confusion will go away....

but i doubt the confusion will go away untill we have the site completely
ready, a release, and that statement......

in my eyes anyway :D

On 7/3/07, RYX <ryx at ryxperience.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everbody.
>
> Two weeks passed - but what do we have? I don't know why it again turns
> out to be like this, but I can't get rid of the impression that we are
> missing any kind of goals and direction and our plans always get
> forgotten after a week or two. Whenever I start trusting you and the
> things you say, I get beaten in the face ... Why? Let me sum up some
> points ...
>
> Those people who cried for a combined community still prefer hanging out
> on oc.o and still aim at having their own community where they can be
> the kings - even though we finally agreed with nearly 100% of their
> wishes and requests. Nobody of the so called "beryl devs", except Danny,
> ever came to compiz.org for announcing new ideas or helping users - if
> they come at all, it is for bitching, nitpicking or correcting people.
>
> The development and "organization" (irony) are still preferably
> discussed on irc instead of being discussed here - even though everybody
> always agrees that it is better to NOT discuss organizational things on
> irc. Is this our way of working? Saying "yes - let's make it better" but
> still continue with our old habits??
>
> Users come to the compiz forums and tell me that they tried compiz and
> beryl but nothing worked for them, so now they installed "fusion" and
> want help with it - likely because of being misinformed by "other
> sources". Seriously, this mess has created such an incredible amount of
> confusion that especially the community has to be informed about what is
> going on. And before that, we should create some roadmap or targets to
> show them (hint, hint).
>
> Even though I hate giving up, I am very close to give up on all this and
> give you the peace to finally do everything you want (that's all you
> want, isn't it?). We all have seen how "well" things work out when there
> are only yes-sayers around ... maybe I'll just switch to kde4 and try to
> forget my beloved compiz.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if Mike has already left us for excatly the same
> reasons..
>
> Let me ask you one question: what do you all expect to happen once we
> have a combined website for the combined project? I'd (still) really
> like to hear your answers on this ... We still have no goals, roadmap,
> merge-agreement or "peace-contract". Well, as long as we have ten
> different packages and a website the rest will come by itself, right?
> Sure.
>
> btw: I still work on the new layout, but if it means that the
> compiz-forums have nearly no support whenever I am not around, it shows
> me how interested everyone is in a "combined community" and immediately
> puts my motivation back to zero ..
>
> (I am pretty sure the comments on this, if any, will yet again ignore
> all important points of this mail and focus on my bitching or
> whatever ... as always)
>
>
> regards
>
> Rico
>
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